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Not-so-seekrit paranoia [20071003|22:50]
Mad Scientess Jane Expat
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So, I've been losing weight deliberately. I'm currently at 58 kg (that's 9.1 stones/127.6 pounds), which is 3 kg more than my personally (and rather arbitrarily) desired weight (that's 8.7 stones/121 pounds). I'm 5'5" tall (that's 165 cm). I cannot seem to shed those last 3 kg, even though I go to the gym 3-5 times per week and do at least 40 minutes of cardio each time and eat fairly carefully except when I'm about to experience the monthly cycle, at which point my chocolate intake accelerates.

My question to you is, should I be worrying about this, or should I just accept that 58 kg is about where I should be? Particular weight, haha, will be given to the opinions of those who have seen me in person recently.

Poll #1065552 Vanity

Should I start dieting to lose that last 3 kilos?

Yes, you have a goal, stick to it, you'll feel good when you get there.
No, you look fine the way you are. Don't worry about it.

Auxiliary question: Complaining about one's weight: is it socially acceptable?

Skinny people should not be allowed to complain about their weight. Eat a hamburger and shut up.
Fat people should not be allowed to complain about their weight. Get on the treadmill and shut up.
There is such a thing as an average weight that is both healthy and attractive. Really! Most of us are there! So shut up!
There are people in the world who think Angelina Jolie is a heifer. BRAIN SPLODY. SHADDAP.
I don't want to think about this. Ticky box, please.

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[User Picture]From: nanila
2007-10-03 22:18 (UTC)
Very good points. I'm currently a size 8 UK/size 4 US. I can tell myself that this is not fat, but for some reason I have this completely arbitrary desire to drop one size in both. Maybe it's just because all the women in London seem to be so goddamn skinny and I do this thing where I compare myself all the time and wind up feeling like a heifer. I know it's stupid but I do it and I think, if I were just more disciplined I could be thinner. It's probably stupid but I do it anyway.

Aaanyhow, I know you're right, it's just that every now and then I get all hormonal and moody and think, all my problems would be fixed which if I could just lose five pounds. And to understand the total illogic of this, see above.
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[User Picture]From: ursarctous
2007-10-03 22:23 (UTC)
Maybe it's just because all the women in London seem to be so goddamn skinny

well, the obvious answer to this is to hang out with me and mary more!

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[User Picture]From: becala
2007-10-04 18:04 (UTC)
Perspective: I am 3 inches shorter than you, and wear a size 4-8 depending on the manufacturer.
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[User Picture]From: nanila
2007-10-05 10:08 (UTC)
Really? Wow, my perception must be severely distorted, because every time I see you I'm struck by how slender you are. o_O
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[User Picture]From: ironed_orchid
2007-10-04 04:59 (UTC)
I second this advice.
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[User Picture]From: ursarctous
2007-10-03 22:21 (UTC)
you look great, and my thoughts on weight and stuff aren't really ones i should even attempt to articulate right now as i have just spent an hour playing worms armageddon so all i can think about is blowing stuff up. but, you look great. hurray!
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[User Picture]From: shamroq
2007-10-03 22:36 (UTC)
I don't think you should use the metric system, commie.
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[User Picture]From: nanila
2007-10-04 13:39 (UTC)
Shut up, imperialist scum.
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[User Picture]From: coredumper
2007-10-03 23:08 (UTC)
i wont play the "oh honey, you look beautiful no matter what you look like" thing. for some reason, everyone in LJ-land seems to placate one another...endlessly. for example, i'm reminded of all the crappy art and music people have posted all throughout the years I've been on LJ...everyone always comments "oh thats so awesome" when really often it just sucks, same thing with new haircut pix...when is the last time you saw someone comment "you know, i really like your old hair better". anyway...here is my opinion:

try not to compare yourself to others around you. BUT DO stand in the mirror naked and look yourself up and down. if you dont like what you see, do something about it. i love the feeling that if my clothes come off, i will still like how i look.

i dont know you look now since i havent seen you in ages...but i will set aside your enormous brain for a sec and objectify you in a strictly sexual manner...5'5" at 127....you probably look good. 5'5" at 121, you will most certainly look hotter.

/my 2 cents

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From: tdj
2007-10-03 23:27 (UTC)
If you can do 40 minutes of cardio 3-5 times a week and aren't on a milkshake IV, chances are your body has found its happy equilibrium.

Auxiliary question: the social acceptability of weight complaints depends on the listener, and follows the following formula.

AI = γn(ΔC/ΔL)

ΔC = Difference between the Complainer's goal weight and current weight.

ΔL = Difference between the listener's goal weight and current weight.

γ = Ratio of Complainer's goal weight to the goal weight that the Listener would assign for the Complainer.

k = Empirical constant fit to the data; occasionally known as the "Kvetch number".

An Acceptability Index (AI) of approximately 1 is acceptable. The farther the AI rises above 1, the more frivolous the complaint is considered.
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[User Picture]From: taische
2007-10-04 00:26 (UTC)
Okay. For starters, unless every picture I've seen of you over the last year has been doctored to grossly misrepresent how you look (unlikely), then let it be- you look great.

That said, if you're going to diet anyway, measure your body fat percentage so that you can plan your protein intake accordingly. I would suggest some manner of protein sparing modified fast (PSMF). With something like Lyle McDonald's modified PSMF approach for rapid fat loss, and since you're doing aerobics, I would imagine you'll be shooting for daily protein intake of 1.1-1.5 g/pound of lean body mass. A guess at your body fat percentage given the information you provide above would probably put you at about 25-26%, so you'll probably want to be at no less than the middle of that range, or about 120g protein per day, preferably spread across four meals. Dropping your total caloric intake to about 1200 calories per day will see you drop those last 3kg in relatively short order. In fact, just try cutting some high-density carbs like rice, breads, and fruit juices for starters and see what happens... just be sure to keep your lean meat and vegetable intake up.

I know this is more of an answer than you were seeking, but a lot of people diet in a way that cuts into lean muscle. Since you're already approaching being on the lean side for a woman, watching protein intake is particularly important. Also, I find fitday.com to be an excellent resource for tracking total caloric intake- I just create a custom food called "calorie" and set it up as .25g carb.

If it's really going to make you feel better, I say go for it- three more kilos shouldn't put you in any danger. Just know that as you approach 19-20% body fat, your body is likely going to start resisting further loss actively. It's also my considered aesthetic opinion that women with perfect posteriors shouldn't tempt fate by pushing mother nature, thus my vote. And yes- I'm psychic that way. Quite a talent, eh? ;)
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[User Picture]From: sanat
2007-10-04 00:54 (UTC)
As irreligious as I usually am, one sensible spoonful of pablum from the Desiderata serves to pacify me when I find myself despairing of my squat puddingy waistline compared to the lean bronze sacral-tattooed middles slinking around the rest of the Bay Area: "If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself." (Greater and lesser here taken to mean solely by circumference.) And if you've come by your current size honestly, then that's what your body's likely happy at. I still haven't managed to make myself do yoga or Tae Bo more than once every two weeks, so I have no room to complain yet.
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[User Picture]From: smallfurry
2007-10-04 02:45 (UTC)
what if you can't lose any more weight, and that extra 3 pounds is BRAIN?

also, what you said about wanting to lose 5 more pounds reminded me of the novel "Bloodsucking Fiends" where the main character becomes a vampire and realizes she'll _always_ be five pounds overweight. :)

You're hot. Enjoy it while it lasts.
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[User Picture]From: nanila
2007-10-04 13:49 (UTC)
You're hot. Enjoy it while it lasts.

I find it interesting that you closed with this. I'm assuming you mean physically hot, as hopefully the attractiveness that goes with brain usage doesn't diminish too much with time. Enjoying it while it lasts, however, seems to me to imply an effortlessness that has actually not been the case. I've devoted an ungodly number of hours of my life from the age of, oh, I'd say fourteen, to exercise, part of which was aimed at being healthy, but part of which was definitely aimed at looking good. Having a fit body is never going to be easy. Ten years ago I probably would have assumed that mine was going to collapse by the time I hit thirty. Now I'm starting to think maybe it'll be forty? Longer, if I don't have kids? Anyway, I figure I'll continue to keep my body healthy with exercise and a good diet, and that hotness, at whatever level - probably reducing with age, will follow. ;-)
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[User Picture]From: smallfurry
2007-10-04 19:02 (UTC)
it was mostly because i'd just seen a photo of myself from twelve years ago that made my boyfriend's eyes bug out, and i remember thinking at the time that i wasn't that hot, but apparently i was. and lately i've been occupied with the effects of getting older in general. so it's not really you, it's me.
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[User Picture]From: impix
2007-10-04 08:00 (UTC)
i know the feeling, i want to loose a few more pounds , and by rights im already small in other peoples eyes but i dont like the extra weight.
to be honest, i dont think i will be happy whatever size iam as when i got very skinny two years ago i thought i looked awful!

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[User Picture]From: nanila
2007-10-04 13:56 (UTC)
I really hate how confused I get with the mixed messages from media and from friends and lovers. Even different types of media give one very different ideas of what the ideal female body should look like. You'll get a very different impression from Vogue than you will from Maxim. And lovers want to continue to shag you, so they're hardly going to be honest if they actually think you need to shed a few pounds, are they? It's all very well to tell yourself to form your own opinion of your body based on how healthy you feel and how comfortable you are naked. But that's essentially an impossible task when you're constantly exposed to advertising.
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[User Picture]From: impix
2007-10-04 16:47 (UTC)

You'll get a very different impression from Vogue than you will from Maxim

this is so true. on the whole its womens magazines full off skinny bodies. there was a bloke reading one of 'those' papers on the bus the other day and i remember thinking the woman naked on the front was really curvey... she was probably only a 12 but i felt awful for thinking it. i dont want to be uber-skinny, but i hate feeling slightly chubby.

mathew says he loves me as i'am now (boobies!) and even though i should be happy he thinks this, im not?

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[User Picture]From: greyface
2007-10-04 08:18 (UTC)
Right, it's been said. Weight is not meaningful. Body-fat is worth considering.

Anyway, give up on your weight goal, but continue to eat sensibly, and exercise regularly. It's good for you!
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[User Picture]From: mysti77
2007-10-04 08:50 (UTC)
I think if you're exercising and eating 'properly' and can't lose weight it's probably just your body's way of saying that this is your most natural weight.

If you do want to budge the extra kilos you'd probably have to do something like calorie count and keep yourself in in a deficit (basically consume less calories than you burn). The problem with that is that you'd probably lose the weight and then when you start to eat normally you'd put it back on unless you stick to a certain number of calories for your new weight. It will probably mean no/very little alochol too.

I think you look fine and too slim/skinny may not even look good on you.
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[User Picture]From: 3_nic
2007-10-04 14:09 (UTC)
Think of it that way: is it better to spend three extra hours a week and starve yourself into a marginal sexiness improvement of [-35, +0.23]% (you were already slim last time I saw you, losing a bunch of kilos could well take you to the yeech-skeletor side), or use the time and energy to behave impishly and write new chapters to the Kama Sutra for an improvement of [uncontrollable babble, spontaneous fatal massive cardiac failure] absolute points?
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[User Picture]From: becala
2007-10-04 18:12 (UTC)
My own personal body issues are encroaching. Can't come up with a coherent reply regarding the general issue, so I'll just stick to you.

You were exceptionally hot the last time I saw you. Which was not that long ago. And yes, I *did* check out your ass. It was very pleasing in size and proportion, and I would not think it would be improved by dropping a few kilos. What I fear would happen instead is that your beautiful bosoms would lose the weight instead, and that would be a crying shame. While I am more able than most people to view all different body types as attractive, I am also able to evaluate according to conventional rules of hotness, and you are totally fuckable. I promise.
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[User Picture]From: sekl
2007-10-04 19:36 (UTC)
Is 3kg really worth giving up drinking? Honestly! Priorities!
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[User Picture]From: nanila
2007-10-05 10:10 (UTC)
Yeah, when mysti77 reminded me of that, I thought, no way, never gonna happen!
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[User Picture]From: bellelaqueen
2007-10-06 12:10 (UTC)
Now my ass has a complex about its width *stares at back-self in mirror*
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From: happysurveyor
2007-10-17 13:46 (UTC)
I know you don't know me and I linked here from Tim's page, but I'll give you my tuppence worth anyway.

You're the same height as me, up till age 22 I was hung up if I got over 8 st 9 lbs, up until I was 30 I was hung up if I got above 9 st. I'm now 34 and had a baby 4 months ago and shot up to 11 st post natal. Allowing for 9 months on, 9 months off I'll be rejoicing if I reach 9 st 7 lbs by the end of the 9 months.

Skinniness in my view is less attractive the older you get, and "stringiness" rather than "sveltness" creeps in if you remain too slim. Also you get people like me wishing virtual boxes of Krispy Kreme doughnuts on your hips.

If you're my height and body shape, and work out to keep yourself toned it sounds like you're doing great, and have a virtual box of Krispy Kreme doughnuts from me!
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