?

Log in

No account? Create an account
Day 117/365: Friday’s Unscientific Poll: One to wash and one to wear - Sauntering Vaguely Downward [entries|archive|friends|userinfo]
Mad Scientess Jane Expat

Serious Business | Flickr
Bounty Information | Wanted Dead or Alive: Mad Scientess Nanila
Deeds of Derring-Do | Full of Wild Inaccuracies and Exaggerations

Day 117/365: Friday’s Unscientific Poll: One to wash and one to wear [20180427|20:43]
Mad Scientess Jane Expat
[Tags|, , , ]
[the weather today is |petty]

Poll #2080828 One to wash and one to wear

For a daily uniform, how many of each item of required clothing (apart from shoes) should one possess?

At least one
0(0.0%)
At least two
18(100.0%)


I would love to pretend that this poll was not inspired by an ongoing petty argument between the bloke and I, but, well, it is.

I grew up mostly not having to wear a school uniform apart from in very early childhood. Here in the UK, nearly everyone grows up wearing a school uniform from Reception (kindergarten) through to sixth form (age 17). The idea of having to put my child in a uniform for school still makes me uncomfortable for reasons I haven’t fully thought through yet, although assuredly a navel-gazing post will ensue once I do.

Anyway, my point is, I had never had to think through the logistics of putting on a uniform on a daily basis. I asked the advice of The Ladies Loos comm on DW and got helpful answers. The advice was to have at least two of every item of required clothing apart from school shoes.

I handled the acquisition of nearly all of Humuhumu’s school wardrobe apart from the jumpers, which have to be specially embroidered with the school logo. I asked the bloke to go and get those. Please note the plural.

He came back with one.

Unwilling to go and purchase a second jumper (petty, I know), I figured I’d wait until the occasion arose when it became obvious she should have a second jumper, so I could be smug (SO PETTY).

Here is where I ran up against the problem of having a child who’s careful with her things. It took her until earlier this month to lose her jumper. It was missing for three days. Three warm days, during which she could wear her gingham dress without the jumper, which doesn’t violate the dress code. Just as we were almost agreed that she should have a second jumper, we found it in the after-school club cloakroom.

It is now close enough to the end of the school year that even I’m reluctant to acquire a second jumper, because she’ll probably have outgrown it by next September. But I maintain that there should have been two jumpers all along, because of the times when we had to put a wash on late at night to clean yesterday’s dinner off her jumper. Okay, so I would put a wash on. The bloke would send her to school in a dirty jumper. Since I pointed it out to her, she has stopped getting her dinner on her jumper. On the one hand, this is great because it means less washing. On the other hand, it is not helping me to win the petty argument. Argh!
linkReply

Comments:
[User Picture]From: hamsterwoman
2018-04-27 17:10 (UTC)
I had to wear a school uniform back in the USSR (only 2 pieces, though -- a dress, and a pinafore/apron thing -- well, three, because there was a regular pinafore (black) and a "dress" pinafore (white), but it was only two pieces at a time), and I'm pretty sure I had just the one set. And no washing machine, so I'm not entirely sure how this worked, as I was not a particularly careful child... Maybe my grandmother washed it and then ironed it dry if I needed it the next morning?

That said, if I had a child who needed to wear a school uniform, I would definitely make sure there was some form of redundancy (like, maybe not two items of everything, but two complete dress-code-compliant outfits?) Knowing how often my kids lose track of their jackets, lunch boxes, etc., even my hatred of buying things that get outgrown super-quickly would probably be overcome by the certainty that single point of failure would be a bad idea.

Very glad I don't have to deal with this dilemma, though! (My friends who have kids in schools with uniforms ended up loving that, though, because it cuts down on morning arguments over clothes, but I hated the lack of individuality and am glad the rodents don't have to.
(Reply) (Thread)
[User Picture]From: nanila
2018-05-01 16:49 (UTC)
Maybe my grandmother washed it and then ironed it dry if I needed it the next morning?

Yep, that would be my guess. There's a lot of hidden work that goes into our childhoods. There is so much of it that I never recognised until I became a parent, and that makes me a bit sad.

I hated the lack of individuality and am glad the rodents don't have to.

Yes, this is definitely part of what I don't like about it. Particularly because Humuhumu is a super sensitive high achiever. Example: I didn't realise she was supposed to wear all-white socks with her gingham dresses. I bought some that had pretty blue bows on them (they were in the school uniform section! How was I supposed to know!) and she was told she should not be wearing those. She was really upset. :(
(Reply) (Parent) (Thread)
[User Picture]From: hamsterwoman
2018-05-01 17:03 (UTC)
There's a lot of hidden work that goes into our childhoods. There is so much of it that I never recognised until I became a parent,

So very, very true!

and she was told she should not be wearing those. She was really upset. :(

Wow, that's extremely particular of the school...

And I totally know what you mean about sensitive high achievers and being disproportionally upset about not living up even to the most arbitrary and minor of expectations. My daughter is like that, too, and we've done the thing where she was near-hysterical at the possibility of not having exactly the right kind of black shoes for a concert, or wearing this one particular type of outfit to her debate tournament (even though once we got there, of course other kids were wearing a much broader range). We even have a by-word for it in the family -- "partiya skazala" [~the Party has spoken], because she really reacts to all of these things -- even when they're suggestions rather than outright requirements -- as if the Communist Party has handed down a key directive :P)

(Reply) (Parent) (Thread)
[User Picture]From: ravenfeather
2018-04-27 17:48 (UTC)
I did not read the context before I submitted the poll, but I can tell you that every single person who has answered so far is the person that takes care of the laundry and knows WHY the only correct answer is at least two.
(Reply) (Thread)
[User Picture]From: sight
2018-04-27 20:23 (UTC)
Same. I didn't read the context before I submitted the poll either!!
(Reply) (Parent) (Thread)
[User Picture]From: nanila
2018-05-01 16:46 (UTC)
Ha! It's still 100% "at least two".
(Reply) (Parent) (Thread)
[User Picture]From: ravenfeather
2018-05-01 18:19 (UTC)
So, do you feel smug now? :D
(Reply) (Parent) (Thread)
[User Picture]From: melissa_maples
2018-04-27 19:44 (UTC)
When I was in school uniforms I had several of everything that actually touched my skin (especially when puberty hit), but with jumpers and jackets and such that went over the clothes and didn't get sweaty or stinky, I might have only had one. That said, the outer layers were more likely to get food on them, but I was a pretty careful kid in that regard and it wouldn't have been an issue often.
(Reply) (Thread)
[User Picture]From: nanila
2018-05-01 16:54 (UTC)
Typically what I find (found) on her jumper were bits of food or glue. I'm still finding them occasionally but often so little that I'm willing to forego the late evening wash. :D
(Reply) (Parent) (Thread)
[User Picture]From: daphnep
2018-04-28 00:47 (UTC)
So happy to be able to vote for your side of petty argument! 😄
(Reply) (Thread)
[User Picture]From: nanila
2018-05-01 16:54 (UTC)
Thank you for your support! :D
(Reply) (Parent) (Thread)
[User Picture]From: lindahoyland
2018-04-28 01:44 (UTC)
I Hated school uniform. I think I only had two blouses and summer dresses but I wasn't the kind of child who got things messed.
(Reply) (Thread)
[User Picture]From: nanila
2018-05-01 16:55 (UTC)
I'm glad I'm not the only one who is opposed to the uniform!
(Reply) (Parent) (Thread)
[User Picture]From: spiffikins
2018-04-28 02:29 (UTC)
I didn't have a school uniform, but my first few jobs had either dress code requirements (white top, navy pants) or a uniform (border officer).

For 4 months of summer, I had ONE white top and ONE pair of pants that worked for my work uniform. I was doing laundry DAILY - I worked in a cafeteria and even wearing an apron I either had a stain or just smelled like grease and grossness by the end of the day.

When I worked for Customs, they provided 2 shirts and 2 pairs of pants for the summer students. I think permanent employees got more - but I was SO glad to have 2 uniform shirts - I only had to do laundry once a week that summer.
(Reply) (Thread)
[User Picture]From: nanila
2018-05-01 16:56 (UTC)
I don't understand messy work places that only issue single items for their employees' uniforms. Argh. That's just outrageously stingy.
(Reply) (Parent) (Thread)
[User Picture]From: becofoz
2018-04-28 06:00 (UTC)
School uniforms are the norm over here. I only ever had one of everything but if my dress got dirty I would just wear the trousers and vice versa. I don't recall ever getting my jumper too dirty. Still, if I had kids I would get them a minimum of two items.
(Reply) (Thread)
[User Picture]From: nanila
2018-05-01 16:57 (UTC)
Especially for the little ones. They do a lot of messy play at school, not to mention the careless eating.
(Reply) (Parent) (Thread)
[User Picture]From: meathiel
2018-04-28 08:17 (UTC)
Looks like a pretty clear result. I guess we all do our own laundry, eh?
For a small kid definitely 2 pieces of everything as they tend to be ... messy?
(Reply) (Thread)
[User Picture]From: nanila
2018-05-01 16:59 (UTC)
Yep, it's the food and glue stains. And a very clear result!
(Reply) (Parent) (Thread)
[User Picture]From: apel
2018-04-28 18:21 (UTC)
Everybody else has already said what I was going to say, except for one thing: Some kids in the UK change out of their school uniform as soon as they get home. That way they don't get dinner on their uniform and they can feel more like individuals in the afternoon.
(Reply) (Thread)
[User Picture]From: nanila
2018-05-01 17:02 (UTC)
That's a good strategy. Humuhumu is in after-school club four days a week so we can't do that. But on Fridays, I pick her up directly after school and take her to her swimming lesson, and I bring a change of clothes in her bag. Hopefully that helps a bit with the individuality too.
(Reply) (Parent) (Thread)
[User Picture]From: thekumquat
2018-05-05 16:07 (UTC)
Depending on uniform, round here the norm is at least 3 sets, usually 4, given that the trousers/pinafores are 2 for £4, shirts often 3 for £5, and school sweatshirts maybe £5 each. By the end of Reception people have about 5 sets, acquired from the uniform stall or other people giving away outgrown stuff.

I think I have about 5 sets of uniform per child, and still sometimes have to use the dryer of a morning, when a child has hidden all the clothes in their bed or left some at school, etc. In Reception, Quatlet was the least mucky child ever so I washed uniform weekly on principle rather than because it needed it; Quatling needed new clothes daily after an enthusiastic day of painting and eating spag bol!
(Reply) (Parent) (Thread)